Reformed Theology Mind Dump - Apostasy, Evolution and Solitude of a plain literal Hermeneutic.  Calvinism

Mind Dump – Apostasy, Evolution and Solitude of a plain literal Hermeneutic.

Reformed Theology Mind Dump - Apostasy, Evolution and Solitude of a plain literal Hermeneutic.  Calvinism
Mind Dump – Apostasy, Evolution and Solitude of a plain literal Hermeneutic.

A bit of background: As the title suggests, i hold to a plain literal hermeneutic. I grew up and came out of the Australian AOG/pentecostal churches. Many of my friends belong to that denomination and all but one are arminian at best, semi-pelagian at worst. Im 29, and converted when I was 15. My theology has gone from arminian>semi-pelagian>calvinism and has now matured to an essentially Amyraldist position. I have seen many fall and apostatise. Some, i was never convinced of their regeneration, but others had me fooled. I've never posted on reddit. I created an account to just unload this.

 

My best mate has been struggling with doubts for a few years. Recently we went hiking and he mentioned serious doubts about his faith. (I've known the guy since i was 10). Probably a year back i demonstrated to him how evolution is really inconsistent with Christianity (given Christs statements about Adam and creation) – a plain reading insists that Jesus was lying, was ignorant or was telling the truth. The first two options a Christian cant take. Either way, at the time he was a christian evolutionist. He was convinced of my argument but that just forced him more towards denial of Christianity. Primarily because he gives such weight to scientists consensus. Im not like him in that im a sceptic. I need to understand and see the evidence to believe the claim. Something i don't perceive as possible when it comes to evolution.

 

Ive recently had another acquaintance, a guy from school (my wifes friends with his wife) apostatise hard. Reading all the militant atheists (like Hitchens) and apparently arguing ton on Facebook to their old christian friends (they attended church up until a few months back). I dont have Facebook (thankfully). Im sick of seeing apostasy all around me. I feel like the only 7 day creationist around some times. If Jesus said it, truth.

 

Either way, i feel really dejected. Alone. Like its me and my wife verse the world. Maybe because we have so many AOG friends and i have a tendancy to look down on what i perceive to be a really shallow naive view of God and theology. The prosperity gospel style, motivational preaching type of churches. Yet we attend a reformed baptist church after I left my old AOG church over the Rob Bell controversy many years back (I opposed his endorsement – heavily, was called a pharisee and a crusader).

 

We're not well connected into our church yet (its been 2 years) as I have been doing a post grad dip in Accounting part time, coupled with 2 children under 3 and a full time job. I dont have time to do small groups or be involved with the church (my schedule is freeing up this year).

 

And here i sit venting to you guys on the internet. I dont even know why. If you've read this far i'm impressed – its been just a mind dump. I guess i feel really really really isolated. Like im one of the few that take the scripture literally plainly and simply. I know this isnt the case. But im just sick of the rampant liberalism accepted in churches. Im sick of higher criticism. Im sick of the emergent church. I'm sick of the permissive accommodating tendency of many Australian churches, eg allowance of divorce and remarriage, female pastors, homosexuality etc. Take me back to the 1700's man! Francis Chan is probably my favourite pastor to listen to. Even at my current church – i have a few i'm able to chat to about deeper theological topics. A recent question I had to discuss was "is a denial of substitionary atonement a denial of the gospel itself – heresy – hell bound etc."

 

I hate small talk and find it really disingenuous. That's probably half my problem. None the less, its such an effort to spend months building rapport through small talk only to find the person with cursory knowledge of the scripture and cant even comprehend the basic theological qualm i may be wrestling with at the time. How do you find those friends!? the one guy my age i came close to – ended up becoming a missionary in turkey with his wife and kids! Im like, cmon! So close yet so far. I've never had a close reformed friend. A guy to hike, camp and climb a mountain or have a scotch with and discuss theology.

 

Welcome to the downgrade. I see it as the great apostasy before Christs return.

 

End of my incoherent ramblings.

 

i need a reformed tinder style app to find mates in Brisbane. ha.
 

Peace brothers.

A bit of background: As the title suggests, i hold to a plain literal hermeneutic. I grew up and came out of the Australian AOG/pentecostal churches. Many of my friends belong to that denomination and all but one are arminian at best, semi-pelagian at worst. Im 29, and converted when I was 15. My theology has gone from arminian>semi-pelagian>calvinism and has now matured to an essentially Amyraldist position. I have seen many fall and apostatise. Some, i was never convinced of their regeneration, but others had me fooled. I’ve never posted on reddit. I created an account to just unload this. My best mate has been struggling with doubts for a few years. Recently we went hiking and he mentioned serious doubts about his faith. (I’ve known the guy since i was 10). Probably a year back i demonstrated to him how evolution is really inconsistent with Christianity (given Christs statements about Adam and creation) – a plain reading insists that Jesus was lying, was ignorant or was telling the truth. The first two options a Christian cant take. Either way, at the time he was a christian evolutionist. He was convinced of my argument but that just forced him more towards denial of Christianity. Primarily because he gives such weight to scientists consensus. Im not like him in that im a sceptic. I need to understand and see the evidence to believe the claim. Something i don’t perceive as possible when it comes to evolution. Ive recently had another acquaintance, a guy from school (my wifes friends with his wife) apostatise hard. Reading all the militant atheists (like Hitchens) and apparently arguing ton on Facebook to their old christian friends (they attended church up until a few months back). I dont have Facebook (thankfully). Im sick of seeing apostasy all around me. I feel like the only 7 day creationist around some times. If Jesus said it, truth. Either way, i feel really dejected. Alone. Like its me and my wife verse the world. Maybe because we have so many AOG friends and i have a tendancy to look down on what i perceive to be a really shallow naive view of God and theology. The prosperity gospel style, motivational preaching type of churches. Yet we attend a reformed baptist church after I left my old AOG church over the Rob Bell controversy many years back (I opposed his endorsement – heavily, was called a pharisee and a crusader). We’re not well connected into our church yet (its been 2 years) as I have been doing a post grad dip in Accounting part time, coupled with 2 children under 3 and a full time job. I dont have time to do small groups or be involved with the church (my schedule is freeing up this year). And here i sit venting to you guys on the internet. I dont even know why. If you’ve read this far i’m impressed – its been just a mind dump. I guess i feel really really really isolated. Like im one of the few that take the scripture literally plainly and simply. I know this isnt the case. But im just sick of the rampant liberalism accepted in churches. Im sick of higher criticism. Im sick of the emergent church. I’m sick of the permissive accommodating tendency of many Australian churches, eg allowance of divorce and remarriage, female pastors, homosexuality etc. Take me back to the 1700’s man! Francis Chan is probably my favourite pastor to listen to. Even at my current church – i have a few i’m able to chat to about deeper theological topics. A recent question I had to discuss was “is a denial of substitionary atonement a denial of the gospel itself – heresy – hell bound etc.” I hate small talk and find it really disingenuous. That’s probably half my problem. None the less, its such an effort to spend months building rapport through small talk only to find the person with cursory knowledge of the scripture and cant even comprehend the basic theological qualm i may be wrestling with at the time. How do you find those friends!? the one guy my age i came close to – ended up becoming a missionary in turkey with his wife and kids! Im like, cmon! So close yet so far. I’ve never had a close reformed friend. A guy to hike, camp and climb a mountain or have a scotch with and discuss theology. Welcome to the downgrade. I see it as the great apostasy before Christs return. End of my incoherent ramblings. i need a reformed tinder style app to find mates in Brisbane. ha. Peace brothers.
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